On a quiet day, I can hear her
Not only is another world possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.
– Arundhati Roy
I can hear her
David Cameron Islamic Extremism speech July 2015
I’ll be making some remarks on David Cameron’s recent speech on so-called Islamic Extremism. Later on in his speech Cameron says that he wants to do away with this blog under his ‘Extremism Bill’. edit: He doesn’t actually say this blog but
“First, any strategy to defeat extremism must confront, head on, the extreme ideology that underpins it. We must take its component parts to pieces – the cultish worldview, the conspiracy theories
we should together challenge the ludicrous conspiracy theories of the extremists. The world is not conspiring against Islam; the security services aren’t behind terrorist attacks
Second, as we counter this ideology, a key part of our strategy must be to tackle both parts of the creed – the non-violent and violent.
This means confronting groups and organisations that may not advocate violence – but which do promote other parts of the extremist narrative.
We must demand that people also condemn the wild conspiracy theories, the anti-Semitism, and the sectarianism too. Being tough on this is entirely keeping with our values.
We need to put out of action the key extremist influencers who are careful to operate just inside the law, but who clearly detest British society and everything we stand for [Tory values]. These people aren’t just extremists. There are despicable far right groups too. And what links them all is their aim to groom young people and brainwash their minds.
So as part of our Extremism Bill, we are going to introduce new narrowly targeted powers to enable us to deal with these facilitators and cult leaders, and stop them peddling their hatred.
As I said, this is not about clamping down on free speech. It’s just about applying our shared values uniformly.
This blog peddles conspiracy theories and claims that security services are behind terrorist attacks.
Sorry Cameron, you’ll be imprisoning me.
It’s great to be here at this outstanding school, Ninestiles School. Your inspiring teachers and your commitment to British values means you are not just achieving outstanding academic success, but you are building a shared community where children of many faiths and backgrounds learn not just with each other, but from each other too.
Politicians giving speeches at schools is out of order. While they’re guaranteed an audience it’s insulting and disrespectful to the school-students involved. There is an authoritarian regime in schools where students are ordered about and they follow those orders. Their human rights are not recognised. The students didn’t realise they could turn around and say “Fuck off! I’m not listening to that asshole” because of course they can’t. It’s lucky no politician tried that while I was at school.
Blair used to do it a lot – probably because he’d never get an audience towards the end of his reign. He’d go to a school and avoid any eye contact with the students – that’s one of the things that put me onto him and his evil ways. Why was he avoiding eye contact?
Blair went to one school and was booed by the students. He was so deranged and divorced from reality that his aides persuaded him that they were doing some youth-speak “Boom” showing respect for him. Twat.
And that goes right to the heart of what I want to talk about today.
I said on the steps of Downing Street that this would be a ‘one nation’ government, bringing our country together.
That’s total bullshit then. It’s four or five nations for a start. What about the Evel measures Cameron was pursuing? That’s certainly very divisive.
Today, I want to talk about a vital element of that. How together we defeat extremism and at the same time build a stronger, more cohesive society.
My starting point is this.
Over generations, we have built something extraordinary in Britain – a successful multi-racial, multi-faith democracy. It’s open, diverse, welcoming – these characteristics are as British as queuing and talking about the weather.
It’s not welcoming, is it?
It is here in Britain where different people, from different backgrounds, who follow different religions and different customs don’t just rub alongside each other but are relatives and friends; husbands, wives, cousins, neighbours and colleagues.
It is here in Britain where in one or two generations people can come with nothing and rise as high as their talent allows.
It is here in Britain where success is achieved not in spite of our diversity, but because of our diversity.
I’m letting that pass because it’s trivial.
So as we talk about the threat of extremism and the challenge of integration, we should not do our country down – we are, without a shadow of doubt, a beacon to the world.
Oh come on.
And as we debate these issues, neither should we demonise people of particular backgrounds. Every one of the communities that has come to call our country home has made Britain a better place. And because the focus of my remarks today is on tackling Islamist extremism – not Islam the religion – let me say this.
Hmm, Muslims are the one religion that is seriously discriminated against. I happened across a couple of Muslim school students who were about fourteen the other day. I was cycling through a park and they had to move out of the way for me to pass through the gate to leave the park. We exchanged a few words. They were ashamed. I regret not making an issue of telling them that they had nothing to be ashamed of. This is what it’s all about – it’s young Muslims who will be [ed: relentlessly] bullied by school authorities – they’re not ever going to have a break, are they? That seems to me very much like a way to create extremism rather than defeat it.
26/7/15 I’m going to jump ahead because it’s crap.
I was thinking about whether these “our values” actually exist and who is Cameron to define these “our values”. I was intending to argue that there is no consensus since we are so diverse as Cameron has already said and that I share very few values with Cameron. Values are different from beliefs and I should think that values probably follow from beliefs. It follows that since peoples’ beliefs are different then they have different values. I think that’s about right. What about you?
Take for example a religion that promotes the idea that all other religions are inferior – that all others not following that particular religion are animals or beasts in human form, sub-human. Now if you had accepted such beliefs, wouldn’t values follow? and wouldn’t behaviour follow from those values?
So, my proposition is that there are no such “our values”.
26/7/15 19.30 BST
What are these “our values”?
But you don’t have to support violence to subscribe to certain intolerant ideas which create a climate in which extremists can flourish.
Ideas which are hostile to basic liberal values such as democracy, freedom and sexual equality.
Surely Cameron must mean pretend-democracy, pretend-freedom and not even pretend sexual equality. Cameron, former PM Tony Blair and former Resident Dubya Bush are Neo-Conservatives. Neo-Conservatives follow the anti-democratic and illiberal philosophy of Leo Strauss that it is necessary to deceive to rule. It would seem that Cameron is proposing that “our values” includes support for an obvious sham-democracy that is maintained through dissembling and deception.
Ideas which actively promote discrimination, sectarianism and segregation.
Like Cameron’s proposed Extremism Bill.
Ideas – like those of the despicable far right – which privilege one identity to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others.
Like the religion I mentioned earlier and this speech and the proposed Extremism Bill and Neo-Conservatives.
Cameron fights for his brutish values – more Islamophobia and war
I managed to open a high-security padlock with the wrong key. I didn’t realise that I was using the wrong key and was willing it open. Granted it’s a cheap-end high-security padlock but it has certainly got anti-pick features like mushroom pins.
I couldn’t repeat it once I realised that it was the wrong key.
MIT guide to lock-picking
I hate these Tory scum
Gan we get rid of them?
Cameron & his Tory shits attack the disabled
I apologise that I’m still trying to get up to speed on this. ILF. Is it The Independent Living Fund that has been abolished?
I’m sorry. I know that this **** ********* (Tory Government – well you can make up your own) has abolished the support that allows disabled people to have a life.
ed: Cameron and Osborne have abolished the support that disabled people need to live independently.
ed: What it means is that they will be denied their independence and will be institutionalised and much more actually. It will mean that disabled people are imprisoned.
ed: It’s happening. Independent Living Fund has been abolished. Disabled people are being institutionalised i.e. imprisoned.
Imprisoned for being disabled?
I want to say that Hitler went for the disabled first but did he? I’m going to say it regardless. There were homos, communist and socialists too. Am I missing something? Well that’s history for you.
08:10ed: Ok I lost the plot there. The point is that the independent living benefit for disabled people has been abolished. What this means for disabled people is that they are institutionalised i.e. imprisoned for being disabled. That’s thanks to Cameron and Osborne who are ever so willing to provide huge benefits for crap bankers.
What does it take to get people in Revolutionary mode?
not that I’m even suggesting that of course
We’ve got to stand up these Tory scum and say No
We’ve got to stand up united and say
We’ve had enough of your Tory shit
We’ve had enough of your support for rich bankers and tax evaders
We’ve had enough of your attacks on the poor
We’ve had enough of your attacks on the disabled
We’ve had enough of you
not to mention your made up terrorism bullshit and persecution of innocent people
I found your essay on the threat of Islamic Extremism in the UK inadequate and deficient. I consider your analysis partisan, prejudged and restricted. Your proposal to harass and vilify young people of a certain religion I find reprehensible.
A decade on …
A decade on I’m starting to feel very much like I did a decade ago – that the state is out to get me personally. Actually, it’s more than just a feeling. It’s the language used about Fascists (individual Fascists?) and Big Cons.
It all seems totally out of proportion as it was a decade ago. Hardly necessary or proportionate for name-calling a couple of Bully-boys and making a probably unfulfilled commitment to get up to speed. I said that I was trying to move on. The trouble is that it should by now be well appreciated that I do defend myself.
I can’t help thinking that perhaps this post would be better made tomorrow.
11.30 edit: I’m going to let this go for a short time to see if there’s confirmation or not.
20.35 edit: Having reviewed things I think that I was prob mistaken and that it’s not directed at myself. It’s taken me a long time to get a handle on Cameron and I think that it’s simply that he’s a big fan of Tonee’s for unknown reasons and – despite achieving good grades – he’s not that bright. For example the (Eton) mess that he made about censoring search engines and now he wants to ban alternative narratives (conspiracy theories) and start a Cameron Youth.